Today's New York Times has an article about the sexism in Israel among the Haredim Jews, those Ultra-Orthodox including Hassidim, who recently gave an award to a woman pediatrician for her research on Jewish genetic diseases, but made her husband accept the prize for her because, being female, she was contaminated. The Haredim Jews are increasingly monopolozing the Israeli government and way of life. Like the Islamists threatening to take over the revolution in Egypt from the more moderate Egyptians, the Haredim are a growing fanatical faction that used to live in self-contained enclaves where your car would get stoned if you ever drove through on the Sabbath and now live all over Israel, trying to spread their ancient and often despicable values, like the adult men who spat on a Modern Orthodox eight-year-old girl from the U.S. on her way to school recently because they felt she was immodestly dressed, and called her a prostitute. The girl is now terrified to walk to school.
I have a particular hatred of Haredim. I was sexually abused by one, a friend of the family in Israel, when I was ten. He was my uncle's best friend at the time, a Mr. Toledano. They grew up together in Tangiers. I always considered my uncle kind of creepy, too. He used to play scary, sadistic chasing games with me as a child. He convinced me at one point that he would flush me down the toilet. I was only five.
I must have at least a hundred Haredim relatives in Israel and have never talked to the men (nor told anyone about the abuse). Their matriarch, my mother's sister, was a loving, accepting women who survived Auschwitz with her, when they were teen-agers. I loved her house when I was a kid, when the boys were still little ruffians who could laugh it up with girls. My uncle worked in the diamond business in Switzerland and has become wealthy enough to support all seven of his children and each of their zillions of grandchildren, up to ten each. Which is a good thing, since Haredi men pridefully don't work and instead get subsidies from the government to study Torah. They boycott the army, not for any humanitarian reasons, but because they claim their Torah study is superior to military engagement in keeping Israel safe. Given their hatred of that ten year old girl, you can imagine their dehumanization of Arabs. They are pathetic, mysogynistic cowards. My sister visited one of my cousins a few years ago and talked about how great it was that our cousin's husband drove her everywhere. He has eight children. His wife does some teaching. He doesn't work at all and they don't take attendance at Torah school, apparently. Sure, I'd drive relatives around too if I didn't have to work.
When I lived in Israel in 1974, I remember people saying that it was a good thing the Israelis were in conflict with the Arabs, because if they weren't, they'd kill each other. The divide between the religious and non-religious Jews in Israel is deep and bitter. The Haredim tend to monopolize all agendas. The Haredim have always taken an ambivalent stance against the state of Israel itself, viewing it as doomed to failure because it's premature: the Messiah has not yet arrived. Nevethetheless, it has not stopped the Haredim from manipulating and taking advantage of the government for subsidies and special treatment and pushing their agenda of making Israel a state so religious as to rival the Taliban.
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Querulous, this is another perfect example of fanaticism and organized dogma gone mad. Is this a sign of collective insanity within that specific group, or just brainwashing of the weak-minded that can survive no other way except to be reinforced by other like-minded, archaic and bitter cowards? Their treatment of others, particularly women and that young girl is inexcusable. That activity is no better than Taliban terrorism and cannot be justified by ANY religious "belief". Shame upon them.
Hearing things like this makes me feel physically ill. Fanaticism in any form makes me ill, no matter what religious belief it stems from... and it's even worse that it's a state subsidized form of fanaticism. So sorry about the creepy Uncle and Mr. Toledano. I'm glad you are able to speak out about all of it now.
Raymond. This is not collective insanity. It is, as in every other fundamentalist religion rampant authoritarianism, a system of rigid rules and harsh judgement in which followers feel highly superior to everyone else. Their difference from the Taliban is that they are not particularly violent. They don't want to convert the world, they just want to be left alone to do their thing and just want everyone else to go away. They see themselves as close to God and everyone else as sinners. Fanaticism is so sickening because there is no room for truth. It makes the truth-seekers within the sect feel crazy. I've followed a couple of blogs over time on this subject, people trying to leave the sect, and it's fascinating.
Querulous, ---it seems to me that anyone that allows themselves to be mind-controlled like these people ARE, --and clearly demonstrate themselves to BE,is suffering from an illness. (good description, Storm) It is called weak-mindedness and a willingness to allow their minds to be filled --totally brainwashed --with archaic, bitter ideas and fanaticism. They are suffering from some kind of insanity--it sure is not LOGIC, common sense and decency they suffer from.
Anyone that spits upon a 10-year old girl in the name of religion is clearly committing an act of violence, and showing disrespect for another human being.
"Left alone" to do their thing? FINE --but do not spit upon children in public! Clearly there is a twisted sense of maniacal "right" driven into the heads of these "religious persons". If they "feel crazy" it is because they ARE crazy. I repeat, shame on THEM...and shame on Israel for subsidizing such outrageous behaviour in the name of "religion".
Your "Uncle" and Mr. Toledano were SICK. Cowards 'bunch together' to make themselves appear "right", and "superior", reinforcing their own negative behavior. I'm sure there may be "decent" individuals also--that practice a more reasonable "force" than attacking women and children. REAL men do NOT abuse women and children, period.
I have always believed there is a delusional aspect to all fundamentalist religion, but I don't like to call it an illness because that implies no choice and there is the element of choice and conceited self-aggrandizement in fanatical religion, whereas with an illness, like my own bipolar illness, there is no choice and I certainly don't feel superior to anyone. I can see I got you going. There are other sides to the story, of course, but right now I'm not in the mood to debate them. I consider Haredim vile. I don't consider them brain-washed because they actively choose to believe what they do, thinking God will reward them. By their standards, I'm evil for bad-mouthing them with Hillul Hashem, humiliating God by presenting a sect of Judaism shamefully. I'm supposed to just shut up about it. I'm going to hell.
That's been my experience, Squirrel, is that it is less an illness and more of a conscious choice to dogmatically adhere to a set of beliefs to the exclusion of all else. It's as if they must choose their way of life over any form of human empathy, and they are fully aware that they are making that choice, and they feel completely entitled and justified in making it. I don't know much about Judaism, but in the cases of Christianity and Islam I always found this to be completely ironic, since kindness and empathy were at the heart of the teachings those groups claimed to follow. I am left wondering why people have such a need to be "God's chosen elite" that they actually WANT other people to suffer.
Querelous, I doubt very much if SOME of those people have any choice at all, once "inducted", they are poisoned so badly with the extremist teachings---at least that's my guess, ---it's like any good cult.
Belief in God is NOT vile, but the organized dogma that spits upon the rest of society FROM that organization IS vile.
I doubt if you're going to hell for telling the truth. Always remember, there are many deceivers, and the truth ALWAYS comes out.
These so-called "religious zealots ", all extremist -fanatical people --need to be de-programmed.
The fact of the matter is, they are so brainwashed in their "belief" that empathy for others no longer exists. They no longer know the difference between right and wrong--or even worse, know it and practice their "beliefs" viciously.
How sad for humanity.
I think it applies to fundamental Judaism as well, but I don't think they would admit to wanting others to suffer. Instead, they project that others brought their suffering onto themselves so they don't deserve empathy. Also, a huge difference between Jewish fundamentalists and others is that Jews do not proselytize outside of the religion itself. Fundamentalist Jews don't consider non-Jews worthy of proselytizing, but they try to get all non-religious Jews to change: thus criticizing the 8 year old. My understanding is that Muslims, for example, want the whole world to convert to Islam so people can save themselves. Reform Jews, the most liberal, are basically live and let live, the Unitarians of Judaism. My children were educated by the Reform, but I can tell you that given my own history, my children were way out there, dangling on the branches of aetheism. I was pretty proud of them. I should do a post on that.
LOL! Yes, both Christianity and Islam want to prostelesyze to the rest of the world, because the rest of the world is lost. I should say the fundamentalist forms of the two, and I would add a disclaimer that I am painting with a very broad brush, as I have met a number of people who do understand the heart of the message they profess to follow.
I think I almost prefer to be considered unworthy of prostelyzation. Saves me the time and the upset of being told I am going to Hell if I don't join an exclusive club. I never have liked exclusive clubs. They're too restrictive. But then for those that are in it by sheer happenstance to receive that vitriol... I'd sooner I was called a prostitute and told I was going to hell than an 8 year old girl. It wouldn't phase me to be told those things, however the same is not the case for a child.
Raymond: I know you are right in some of what you say about brainwashing, I just hate to admit it because I see it as an excuse. The brainwashing has a lot of secondary gain in terms of getting lots and lots of social approval within the cult and gilding a sense of superiority. But yes, frankly, from the outside, I always found it cultishly hard to believe that these people really, really believed what they were espousing versus just using it as a measure for judging others. After all, I myself was inducted into these beliefs to some extent (not Haredi, but Modern Orthodox) at a young age and managed to think myself out of the box all by myself at a young age.
When the Hassidic conversion trucks would drive around NYC asking people 'Are you Jewish?" so they could turn us random Jews into Haredim and exclude the hopeless goyim (non-Jews), I learned quickly that my easiest out was to simply say I wasn't Jewish
What happened to that little girl is shocking. It's just inexcusable. it's hard to believe adults would treat a child like that.
A lot of cruelty is masked under religion, the more fundamentalist the religion, the worse the cruelty and hatred.
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